[dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

Warren Kumari warren at kumari.net
Tue Aug 25 16:44:49 UTC 2020

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:10 PM Paul Ebersman
<list-dns-operations at dragon.net> wrote:
> warren> We've often discussed if the tools are useful / doing what we
> warren> want. My concern with this is that it requires yet another app
> warren> installed for people to communicate;
> I'm one of the first to bitch about this when I have to install yet
> another app.
> However, mattermost works fine in a browser, no app required. I was on
> firefox for the last OARC virtual meeting and had no issues with that
> method.

Thank you, that helps. I think that much of my discomfort stems from
the fact that this felt like "We, the leadership have made a decision
for you, the community".
There are many many places where we want the board / org to make
decisions on our behalf, but for maintaining a sense of community,
having input on how the community interacts and discusses things feels
After some reflection, I've realized that I'm not actually annoyed by
having to run another app, it is that I feel that I / we were not
asked (and here is where someone will point at the long thread where
this was discussed, and I look like even more of a jackass :-)).


> dougb> I ask because OARC is taking on a lot, and from my naive and
> dougb> distant view seems to have developed a bit of NIH
> dougb> syndrome. Looking at the migration of dnsviz for example, it's
> dougb> not clear to me why OARC volunteered to take that project on
> dougb> without adequate resourcing. And subsequently it wasn't clear why
> dougb> cloud solutions weren't utilized, which I imagine could have been
> dougb> cheaper, and faster. To my knowledge the historical data is still
> dougb> missing, is that correct?
> I'd guess you're not a member and don't get the detailed breakdown of
> this in the member reports? Short version is that many of the decisions
> (including why cloud frequently isn't an option) boil down to member
> survey responses and restrictions in the data sharing agreements.
> Keith and the OARC staff evaluate choices based on these restrictions
> and then solicit member input before making final decisions.
> What you are seeing is not unilateral decisions by the staff but the
> staff implementing membership wishes.

I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
of pants.

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