[dns-operations] New OARC Chat Platform

[Ondřej Surý]

Warren,

I am not telling you “what you want”, I am simply expressing as DNS-OARC board member what I believe is usefully spent time by OARC president and OARC staff. The decision was made knowingly that it would not be first choice for everybody, but it would be a decent choice for everyone in the end, and Keith provided solid arguments. It’s my duty as a board member to stand by him.

If the majority OARC members want the OARC president to spent time on doing more than extensive analysis than the one provided, we could certainly discuss what level of trust and independence there should be, but I would suggest to just go with what has been provided now and evaluate the choice after we all have experience using Mattermost for a while.

Ondřej 
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Ondřej Surý <ondrej at sury.org> (He/Him)

> On 25. 8. 2020, at 17:12, Warren Kumari <warren at kumari.net> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 10:44 AM Ondřej Surý <ondrej at sury.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>> On 25. 8. 2020, at 15:52, Barry Raveendran Greene <bgreene at senki.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can we see the security risk assessment that OARC has done with Slack? That would be contrasted with the parallel risk assessment for MatterMost.
>> 
>> This would neither be a time well spent by the OARC team that has
>> a limited resources that would be better spent on actually working
>> on the primary OARC missing.
>> 
>> I don’t see a strong need to linger on the topic any further,
>> the decision was made by the OARC team and sanctioned by the OARC board.
>> 
>> What useful purpose does this have?  We have never questioned the choice
>> of tools by the OARC team, so we should not start doing so now.
> 
> We've often discussed if the tools are useful / doing what we want. My
> concern with this is that it requires yet another app installed for
> people to communicate; by doing this OARC is taking a solution which a
> number of people were using (Jabber), and said "Nope, you have to go
> install yet another application" - unlike other OARC tools this isn't
> "use your existing tools like dig and a browsers", it's "go and
> install yet another app". Also, some organizations lock down what apps
> can run on their corporate machines....
> 
> I've already got (at least):
> 1: Adium for Jabber (IETF, OARC, and a number of other services)
> 2: Slack (12+ workspaces)
> 3: Telegram
> 4: Wire
> 5: Textual (IRC)
> 6: WhatsApp
> 7: iMessage
> 8: Skype
> 
> https://xkcd.com/1810/
> 
>> This
>> is a rathole that nobody really wants to go in.
> 
> Ah, excellent. Just like with the above decision, thank you for
> telling me what I want...
> 
> Message received,
> W
> 
>> 
>> Ondrej
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>> Ondřej Surý (He/Him)
>> ondrej at sury.org
>> 
>> 
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> -- 
> I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
> idea in the first place.
> This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
> regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
> of pants.
>   ---maf