<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 3:17 PM John R Levine <<a href="mailto:johnl@taugh.com">johnl@taugh.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Fri, 3 Jun 2022, John Levine wrote:<br>
>> In such a configuration, if the host name "foo" matches the candidate TLD<br>
>> "foo", and the latter is changed from NXDOMAIN ...<br>
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> Do we have any idea how many systems still use search lists? We've been saying<br>
> bad things about them at least since .CS was added in 1991.<br>
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It occurs to me there is another way to look at this. There are already <br>
1487 delegated TLDs, and I doubt anyone could name more than a small <br>
fraction of them. If this increases the number of names that will break <br>
search lists from 1487 to 1488, how much of a problem is this likely to be <br>
in practice, which leads back to ...<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If it was ONLY a progression of 1487->1488, it might not be that bad (but again, that all depends on what number 1488 actually is.)</div><div><br></div><div>What it is actually is an exercise in survivorship bias.<br>Anyone who might have been impacted by any of the earlier rounds of expansion, will (likely) have learned their lesson.</div><div>That lesson may depend on tribal knowledge, which might not be reliable enough for any previous victim to not be re-victimized.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyone not previously affected may be unaware of the risk their own set-up places them in, until their choices run up against newly deployed TLDs.</div><div><br></div><div>Until the practice or standard/implementation for search-lists is fully deprecated, the risk will remain, for either new TLDs being deployed or new host names or naming conventions being deployed.</div><div><br></div><div>Unimaginative host names like "mail001" are likely safe.</div><div><br></div><div>However, naming hosts after some class of entities, like manufacturers or fast food companies or even classes of things, will ironically be risky.</div><div><br></div><div>The best analogy I can think of is playing "minesweeper" on a huge board, where the number of mines periodically gets increased, where there are no signals of adjacent mines (1-8), no flags, and no automatic flooding of zero-mine areas.</div><div>Spots you have clicked on could be subsequently mined, and you lose. It is an asynchronous race condition, where an external party is making moves (adding mines) on your behalf.</div><div>It would not be considered a "fun" game, IMNSHO.</div><div><br></div><div>Brian</div><div><br></div><div>P.S. Having "ndots:N" for N>0 isn't necessarily safe, either. Any new TLD that matches an internal namespace component rather than hostname, won't necessarily be discovered until registrations begin.</div></div></div>