<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div>Hi Warren,</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">The lack of peering with a network doesn't prevent my accessing them,<br class="">it just means that my packets take a sub-optimal[0] route.<br class="">The above doesn't look like that at all, it looks like $something else<br class="">(like dropped fragments), which is completely different to not<br class="">peering[1].<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">I feel like I haven't had my morning coffee, and am missing something<br class="">wildly obvious here -- please, what it is?<br class="">W<br class="">[0]: Well, sub-optimal in terms of number of AS's, not necessarily in<br class="">terms of congestion, latency, reliability, geography, etc.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>You don't peer with HE, but you buy transit from a company that does peer with HE.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Neither Cogent or HE buy transit from anybody else. They only peer and have customers. They don't buy "fallback" traffic.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Now if Cogent refuses to peer with HE (or the other way around), and they both don't buy traffic from anybody else, they can't reach each other...</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Frank</div><div><br class=""></div></body></html>