<div dir="ltr"><div>Reply in line</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 14:56, Jerry Lundström <<a href="mailto:jerry@dns-oarc.net">jerry@dns-oarc.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
I'm mostly reading this as you think the proposal is "DNS over TCP only"<br>
and my understanding is that it's not like that.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>NO. I understand it is proposed to support both UDP and TCP for DNS. I make a misleading analogy by turn off IPv4. Sorry. What I really want to discuss is: Do we really need a flag day to threaten people who may confront a service outage or performance degradation.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I really don't think we should add penalty. The majority of DNS will still be over UDP, _but TCP **MUST** work!_ </blockquote><div> </div><div>I understand the TC bit mechanism behind. AFAIK the concerns is the increasing traffic of TCP in future for authoritative server and TCP traffic as a DOS vector for resolver. <br><br>The fear of penalty exists from the saying : "According to this group, starting with February 1, 2020, DNS servers that can't handle DNS queries over both UDP and TCP may be pushed out of the DNS ecosystem and stop working." And also in 2019 Flag Day it was threatened that "Sites hosted on incompatible authoritative servers may become unreachable through updated resolvers. " <br><br>From the perspective of resolver, I can guess the UDP-only resolvers are penalized without the ability of TCP fallback, because they will get more Truncated response after the flag day. Because before the flag day, there are large chance for them to survive by receiving a large response (> 1220 octets). <br><br>But for authoritative server, if there is no penalty for them as you said, how do DNS-flag-day people enhance this plan on authoritative server ? I'm curious about the technical detailed because I have been often asked on this. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Davey</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>