<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Paul Vixie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul@redbarn.org" target="_blank">paul@redbarn.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
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David C Lawrence wrote:<br>
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Kevin Murphy wrote:<br>
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Has the amount of abuse on the internet gone up since the<br>
introduction of new gTLDs? There must be data on this.<br>
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John Franklin wrote:<br>
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How would you quantify that? I can see new gTLDs creating new<br>
portals on the internet for bad actors, but I would expect the<br>
number of said bad actors behind them to remain relatively stable.<br>
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I suspect that was Kevin's point, trying to suss out whether gTLD<br>
expansion is in any way a part of making things worse, or essentially<br>
neutral.<br>
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i'm not sure why i would care. whether or not gtld-induced badness is part of a zero sum game is irrelevant. if there is net new badness, i don't like it. if it allowed some badness to move here from elsewhere, i don't like that either.</blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">There is one difference. If the badness has moved rather than this being new badness, we can avoid the problem entirely by blocking the new gTLDs entirely.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I have yet to hear one good reason for supporting resolution of the new gTLDs. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Is ICANN sharing any of the rent they are extracting with me? No. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Is there any resource that is not malicious of significance on a gTLD? Not that I am aware.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Black hole rout 'em till they give the community a good reason to exist.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">gTLDs should cost $15/yr and $1/yr of that go to supporting a multi-registry back end (without perpetual renewal clauses) to provide scaling. Domain suffixes would eventually wither away and die the death they richly deserve.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">For a little while, people would have to type 'www.microsoft' to get where they want to go because the string 'microsoft' would not be assumed to be a search keyword. But that would go away over time.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Want to get to the mail server? There's an SRV for that. Want the time service? There's an SRV for that.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Outside large hierarchical institutions like MIT, GE, etc., the only application protocols that would end up using subdomains is SSH and their ilk which are the only application protocols that properly connects to a host as opposed to a service.</div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">The main obstacle to making it happen is oddly enough BitCoin because the obvious way to make an open gTLD registry work is with a notary log at the heart of it. Problem being that when the BitCoin bubble bursts it is almost certain to take anything blockchain down with it. Just like the South Sea bubble killed the notion of joint stock companies for a century.</div></div></div></div>