<div dir="ltr">Apparently I said a rude word in the below, because I got the following bounce:<div><span style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px">This email has violated the PROFANITY.</span><br style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px"><span style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px">and Pass has been taken on 3/6/2016 1:14:41 PM.</span><br style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px"><span style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px">Message details:</span><br style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px"><span style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px">Server: BUPMEXCASHUB1</span><br style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px"><span style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px">Sender: </span><a href="mailto:warren@kumari.net" target="_blank" style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px">warren@kumari.net</a><span style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px">;</span><br style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px"><span style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px">Recipient: </span><a href="mailto:davew@hireahit.com" target="_blank" style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px">davew@hireahit.com</a><span style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px">;</span><a href="mailto:dns-operations@dns-oarc.net" target="_blank" style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px">dns-operations@dns-oarc.net</a><span style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px">;</span><br style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px"><span style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px">Subject: Re: [dns-operations] The strange case of </span><a href="http://fox.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" style="font-size:13px;line-height:19.5px">fox.com</a></div><div><br></div><div>Apologies if my saying "pissed off customers" shocked anyone.</div><div><br></div><div>W</div><div><br><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 6:08 PM Warren Kumari <<a href="mailto:warren@kumari.net">warren@kumari.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:04 PM Dave Warren <<a href="mailto:davew@hireahit.com" target="_blank">davew@hireahit.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 2016-03-04 07:05, Rich Goodson wrote:<br>
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> Also, who is to say that I can't have a misconfigured domain if I want to?<br>
<br>
Probably your domain registration agreement would be an appropriate<br>
place for this language.<br>
<br>
>> Sure, some tiny percentage of domains might pack it up and take up a<br>
>> new hobby, but for any business that wants people to pay their bills,<br>
>> buy their services, view their ads, or otherwise do the things that<br>
>> justify the expense of a having an internet presence, they'll hire<br>
>> someone competent and fix the issue.<br>
> It appears that they hired someone competent who fixed it some 18<br>
> months later.<br>
<br>
Right, and for those 18 months that someone else had a misconfiguration,<br>
you and I hear from our customers, waste our customer service resources<br>
and technical resources dealing with someone else's misconfiguration.<br>
That's not acceptable. I want to cost-shift the fix back to the party<br>
that 1) has an incentive to make the site work, and 2) caused the<br>
problem in the first place.<br>
<br>
By placing a very real cost on misconfigurations that is paid by whoever<br>
set up the misconfigured domain it will become more practical to<br>
configure things properly than to stick with a "werks fer me!" attitude<br>
leaving the rest of us to explain to customer after customer why someone<br>
else's domain doesn't really work.<br>
<br>
> Plus, my job title at the time was not, "Person Assigned To Attempt To<br>
> Make Improvements To The Internet". My job (or about 15% of my job)<br>
> was to make sure our customers could resolve DNS. After multiple days<br>
> spent imitating Don Quixote on this issue already, my fake delegation<br>
> "fixed" the problem, at least for my customers. I had no more time to<br>
> spend on the issue.<br>
<br>
This is true, except for the "no more time to spend on the issue" --<br>
You'll spend more time on this issue tomorrow, and the day after, and<br>
the day after that, every time you run into yet another misconfigured<br>
domain. Also, your fake delegation will fail one day too, when the<br>
domain switches hosting providers and suddenly your fake delegation is<br>
wrong while the domain itself is finally correct for once.<br>
<br>
And this is the whole point, you, me, and everyone else who runs a<br>
resolver shouldn't have to jump through hoops to make random domains<br>
work, or hear whining about how a website works properly on other<br>
networks but not ours when we're running standards compliant software.<br>
Rather than spending multiple days on such an issue, it would be quite<br>
convenient if registries or registrars did this automatically and<br>
notified their customers of problems, and if it goes unresolved, dropped<br>
the delegation.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Indeed.</div><div><br></div><div>However, registries and registrars make their money (and they claim very little) from selling domains. Their view is that a: this is extra work and costs money and b: results in pissed off customers.</div><div>They have no real inventive to do this -- if you want this done, it will require a fundamental shift in culture / incentives, or a requirement in registry / registrar requirements. If you would like to make this happen (which I think would be great), you will have to show up at ICANN meetings - this requires much sitting on planes (I'm currently in one in Marrakech), and listening to much navel gazing and pontification... </div><div><br></div><div>I'm guessing that it is less annoying / cheaper to just live with the problem... almost like this was by design :-P</div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>W</div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
--<br>
Dave Warren<br>
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