[dns-operations] solutions for DDoS mitigation of DNS

Klaus Darilion klaus.mailinglists at pernau.at
Thu Apr 2 11:37:36 UTC 2020

Indeed - I only wanted to comment on the rate limiting. It is not that I 
argue against rate limiting, but that admins should be aware when it 
actually helps, and when not. Sorry, when my email seemed a bit harshly.

We also used rate limiting with dnsdist, but due to the mentioned 
problems we switched to high performance backends for the zones which 
are under constant attack.


Am 02.04.2020 um 13:22 schrieb Frank Louwers:
> That's very selective cutting of my sentence Klaus....
>> On 2 Apr 2020, at 13:09, Klaus Darilion <klaus.mailinglists at pernau.at 
>> <mailto:klaus.mailinglists at pernau.at>> wrote:
>> Am 02.04.2020 um 09:15 schrieb Frank Louwers:
>>> dnsdist allows you to do general ratelimiting/blocking
>> Ratelimiting is often not the correct choice.
>> If the source IP is random (which is usually the case with spoofed 
>> source IP addresses), a rate limiting based on source IP is not useful.
>> If the query-name is random (which is usually the case with spoofed 
>> source IP addresses), a rate limiting based on qname is not useful.
>> If the qname is always the same, or at least within the same zone, you 
>> could do rate limiting for that zone, but this limits all queries, 
>> attack queries and legitim queries. Hence, you create a DoS for that 
>> zone, but at least avoid collateral damage to other zones hosted on 
>> that name server.
>> So my advice: use a name server which can fill your upstream bandwith 
>> (NSD, Knot ...). And for volumetric attacks use a commercial DDoS 
>> mitigation provider which filters your traffic (ie. buy the service 
>> from your ISP or from a remote DDoS mitigation provider which 
>> announces your prefixes on demand.)
>> regards
>> Klaus
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