[dns-operations] glitch on [ip6|in-addr].arpa?

Adam Vallee adam.vallee at gmail.com
Thu Oct 17 13:44:07 UTC 2019

So what your admitting here, with your interesting choice of Words, is that
Cogent is NOT in fact a Tier 1 provider. In the traditional definition of a
"FreeNet" where a Tier 1 provider peers with all other Tier 1 providers in
a shared cost model.

That's good to know, because in fact our experience is that their service
doesn't compare to Telia, HE, and GTT, and I was finally able to convince
our NA Team to dump Cogent at Contract Renewal. Their routes are longer and
have higher latency.
And we now announce the C-Root ASN and IP prefixes to our internal network,
in effect running our own C-Root.

And we pay less for our bandwidth from Telia than we're paying Cogentco.

I would suggest to everyone who has access to Telia or GTT, to try them
out, and then you can possibly save money by dumping Cogentco. (That's if
any of you are also part of your Network Architecture Teams.)

Thank you for sharing.

Adam Vallee

On Wed., Oct. 16, 2019, 10:27 a.m. Paul Vixie, <paul at redbarn.org> wrote:

> a late followup.
> Rubens Kuhl wrote on 2019-10-12 13:50:
> > ...
> >
> > If someone from Cogent is reading, that's their opportunity to step
> > up and provide at least a partial feed to OARC.
> i'm part of the cogent c-root team, and i was a co-founder of dns-oarc.
> we have hosted elements of the dns-oarc project at cogent before, and we
> are working with the dns-oarc engineering team to make our
> ipv6-addressed c-root server visible to their measurement systems.
> > Unless they want to do the better thing which is to end this peering
> > war and stop messing IPv6 Internet...
> when i succeeded dave rand as cto of abovenet in Y2K or so, we had a
> completely open peering policy -- we even peered with customers, if they
> wanted a second BGP connection so they didn't have to pay by bit-volume
> when exchange traffic with our other customers. this made business sense
> to the company and its employees and investors and customers.
> hurricane and cogent are also businesses, each having employees and
> investors and customers. they are each doing what makes sense to them.
> this is not a "peering war" by any stretch of the vocabulary. cogent
> does not have a completely open peering policy, and while hurricane has
> transit for its ipv4 network, it lacks transit for its ipv6 network.
> their networks, their rules.
> --
> P Vixie
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