[dns-operations] too outspoken?

Paul Vixie paul at vix.com
Sat Jul 15 22:22:19 UTC 2006


below, see how MH describes last couple days of e-mail on this list.  in that
time we have seen two additions to the list and five dropouts.  while i've not
measured it formally, my gut feeling is that whenever a list suddenly gets
busy, some lurkers depart.  as to the reason for that, my suspicion is that
when a small number of outspoken people do a "yes it is!" vs. "no it's not!"
back and forth for several days, it drowns out other discussion and bores the
hell out of onlookers.

i'm willing to investigate rate-limiting for "mailman", such that anyone who
tries to post more than twice per day or five times per week will receive a
submit-bounce.  but before i investigate that, let me suggest to all of us
that we chill out, carefully consider our positions, generally avoid point-
by-point rebuttal, stop repeating ourselves, and keep the number of posts per
day and per week down to two and five per person, respectively.  ("please.")

re:

 793  07/10 Stephane Bortzmey  [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS makes yo
 794  07/10 Rick Wesson        Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 795  07/10 David Ulevitch     Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 796  07/10 David Conrad       Re: [dns-operations] What is the most pressing n
 797  07/10 Rick Wesson        Re: [dns-operations] What is the most pressing n
 798  07/11 Mark Andrews       Re: [dns-operations] What is the most pressing n
 799  07/10 David Conrad       Re: [dns-operations] What is the most pressing n
 800  07/11 Jim Reid           [dns-operations] Standing for the ICANN Board<<O
 801  07/11 Edward Lewis       [dns-operations] roll over<<--===============094
 802  07/11 Roy Arends         Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 803  07/11 Roy Arends         Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 804  07/11 Rick Wesson        Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 805 -07/11 David Ulevitch     Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 806  07/11 To:dns-operations  Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 807  07/11 To:dns-operations  Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 808  07/11 Roy Arends         Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 809  07/12 Stephane Bortzmey  Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 810  07/12 Brad Knowles       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 811  07/12 Florian Weimer     Re: [dns-operations] NXDOMAIN for some types and
 812  07/12 David Ulevitch     Re: [dns-operations] NXDOMAIN for some types and
 813  07/12 Florian Weimer     Re: [dns-operations] NXDOMAIN for some types and
 814  07/12 David Ulevitch     Re: [dns-operations] NXDOMAIN for some types and
 815  07/12 Florian Weimer     Re: [dns-operations] NXDOMAIN for some types and
 816  07/12 Rodney Joffe       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 817 -07/12 David Ulevitch     Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 818  07/12 To:dns-operations  Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 819  07/12 To:dns-operations  Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 820  07/12 Florian Weimer     Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 821  07/12 Ken A              Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 822  07/12 David Ulevitch     Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 823  07/12 Brad Knowles       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 824  07/12 Brad Knowles       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 825  07/13 Jeroen Massar      Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 826  07/13 John Payne         Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 828  07/13 John Kristoff      Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 829  07/13 "John S. Quarterm  Re: [dns-operations] What is the most pressing n
 830  07/13 Rodney Joffe       Re: [dns-operations] What is the most pressing n
 831  07/13 To:dns-operations  two internet drafts came out on dnsop today<<htt
 832  07/13 Brad Knowles       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 833  07/13 Brad Knowles       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 834  07/13 John Payne         Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 835  07/13 Rodney Joffe       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 836  07/13 Rodney Joffe       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 837  07/13 Rodney Joffe       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 838  07/13 "Nicholas Suan"    Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 839  07/13 John Payne         Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 840  07/13 Rodney Joffe       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 841  07/13 brett watson       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 842  07/13 "Nicholas Suan"    Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 843  07/13 "Nicholas Suan"    Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 844  07/14 =?UTF-8?Q?Ond=C5=  Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 845  07/13 brett watson       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 846  07/13 brett watson       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 847  07/13 "Nicholas Suan"    Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 848  07/14 John Payne         Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 849  07/13 "Nicholas Suan"    Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 850 -07/13 Rick Wesson        Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 851  07/14 John Payne         Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 852  07/13 brett watson       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 853  07/14 John Payne         Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 854  07/13 brett watson       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 855  07/14 "Nicholas Suan"    Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 856  07/14 John Payne         Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 857  07/14 To:dns-operations  Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 858  07/14 To:dns-operations  Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 859  07/14 Steve Gibbard      [dns-operations] Quick anycast primer<<Sorry for
 860  07/14 Jim Reid           Re: [dns-operations] Quick anycast primer<<On Ju
 861  07/14 Peter Dambier      Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 862  07/14 Brad Knowles       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 863  07/14 Brad Knowles       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 864  07/14 Brad Knowles       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 865  07/14 Brad Knowles       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 866  07/14 Eric E Eskam       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 867  07/14 John Payne         Re: [dns-operations] Quick anycast primer<<On Ju
 868  07/14 "Per Heldal"       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 869  07/14 John Payne         Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 870  07/14 Jim Reid           Re: [dns-operations] Quick anycast primer<<On Ju
 871  07/14 "Per Heldal"       Re: [dns-operations] Quick anycast primer<<On Fr
 872  07/14 "Per Heldal"       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 873  07/14 Edward Lewis       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 874  07/14 =?UTF-8?Q?Ond=C5=  Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 875  07/14 =?UTF-8?Q?Ond=C5=  Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 876  07/14 Matt Pounsett      Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 877  07/14 "Nicholas Suan"    Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 878  07/14 John Payne         Re: [dns-operations] Quick anycast primer<<On Ju
 879  07/14 brett watson       Re: [dns-operations] Quick anycast primer<<On Ju
 880  07/14 Edward Lewis       Re: [dns-operations] Quick anycast primer<<At 12
 881  07/14 John Payne         Re: [dns-operations] Quick anycast primer<<On Ju
 882  07/14 Brad Knowles       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 883  07/14 Brad Knowles       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 884  07/14 Brad Knowles       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 885  07/14 Brad Knowles       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 886  07/14 "Patrick W. Gilmo  Re: [dns-operations] Quick anycast primer<<On Ju
 887  07/14 Rodney Joffe       Re: [dns-operations] Quick anycast primer<<On Ju
 888  07/14 "Patrick W. Gilmo  Re: [dns-operations] Quick anycast primer<<On Ju
 889  07/14 John Payne         Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 890  07/14 John Payne         Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 891  07/14 Igor Gashinsky     Re: [dns-operations] Quick anycast primer<<:: Fo
 892  07/14 Steve Gibbard      Re: [dns-operations] Quick anycast primer<<On Fr
 893  07/14 "Patrick W. Gilmo  Re: [dns-operations] Quick anycast primer<<On Ju
 894  07/14 "Per Heldal"       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 895  07/14 Brad Knowles       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 896  07/15 Peter Dambier      Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 897 -07/15 "Per Heldal"       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 898  07/15 Peter Dambier      Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 899  07/15 Edward Lewis       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make
 900 -07/15 Rodney Joffe       Re: [dns-operations] Too Open (Was: OpenDNS make



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