From geier at geier.ne.tz  Sun Jun  2 07:14:58 2013
From: geier at geier.ne.tz (Frank Habicht)
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 10:14:58 +0300
Subject: [as112-ops] v6 connection refused for AS112 webserver
In-Reply-To: <50E4A081.3070602@dns-oarc.net>
References: <50E48279.1070001@geier.ne.tz>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1301021510020.15493@iskra.ottix.net>
	<50E4A081.3070602@dns-oarc.net>
Message-ID: <51AAF0F2.6000608@geier.ne.tz>

Hi,

bad news:

$ wget -4 http://www.as112.net/
--2013-06-02 10:09:54--  http://www.as112.net/
Resolving www.as112.net... 149.20.58.72
Connecting to www.as112.net|149.20.58.72|:80... failed: Connection refused.

tried from a few places.
(that time is GMT+3 but shouldn't matter much)

Frank


On 1/3/2013 12:02 AM, Keith Mitchell wrote:
> On 01/02/2013 03:10 PM, William F. M. Sotomayor wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013, Frank Habicht wrote:
> 
>>> who gets the same?
>>> (psg.com does)
>>
>> Probably the web server is still not setup for listening on the IPv6 
>> socket:
> 
> Investigating, it's not clear this ever worked for IPv6, looks like a
> server software upgrade may be needed to fix it. If we can't fix this
> shortly (I'm in the process of hiring an OARC sysadmin...) we'll pull
> the AAAA record for now.
> 
>>> PS: I tried to find and contact people about this.
>>> but maybe that's something I'm not good enough at...
> 
> <admin at dns-oarc.net> can help with this kind of thing. Thanks for
> flagging it up.
> 
> Keith
> 
> 


From jonathan.stewart at gmail.com  Sun Jun  2 22:53:14 2013
From: jonathan.stewart at gmail.com (Jonathan Stewart)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:53:14 -0500
Subject: [as112-ops] v6 connection refused for AS112 webserver
In-Reply-To: <51AAF0F2.6000608@geier.ne.tz>
References: <50E48279.1070001@geier.ne.tz>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1301021510020.15493@iskra.ottix.net>
	<50E4A081.3070602@dns-oarc.net> <51AAF0F2.6000608@geier.ne.tz>
Message-ID: <CA+K1SUyBK235u0-50UY4n2dsL1RD_uvT26TAn-XB-ovQnjkRCw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I also see connection refused errors from 149.20.58.72:80.

Jonathan


On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Frank Habicht <geier at geier.ne.tz> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> bad news:
>
> $ wget -4 http://www.as112.net/
> --2013-06-02 10:09:54--  http://www.as112.net/
> Resolving www.as112.net... 149.20.58.72
> Connecting to www.as112.net|149.20.58.72|:80... failed: Connection
> refused.
>
> tried from a few places.
> (that time is GMT+3 but shouldn't matter much)
>
> Frank
>
>
> On 1/3/2013 12:02 AM, Keith Mitchell wrote:
> > On 01/02/2013 03:10 PM, William F. M. Sotomayor wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013, Frank Habicht wrote:
> >
> >>> who gets the same?
> >>> (psg.com does)
> >>
> >> Probably the web server is still not setup for listening on the IPv6
> >> socket:
> >
> > Investigating, it's not clear this ever worked for IPv6, looks like a
> > server software upgrade may be needed to fix it. If we can't fix this
> > shortly (I'm in the process of hiring an OARC sysadmin...) we'll pull
> > the AAAA record for now.
> >
> >>> PS: I tried to find and contact people about this.
> >>> but maybe that's something I'm not good enough at...
> >
> > <admin at dns-oarc.net> can help with this kind of thing. Thanks for
> > flagging it up.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> as112-ops mailing list
> as112-ops at lists.dns-oarc.net
> https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/as112-ops
>



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From graham at neology.co.za  Mon Jun  3 08:46:14 2013
From: graham at neology.co.za (Graham Beneke)
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 10:46:14 +0200
Subject: [as112-ops] v6 connection refused for AS112 webserver
In-Reply-To: <CA+K1SUyBK235u0-50UY4n2dsL1RD_uvT26TAn-XB-ovQnjkRCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50E48279.1070001@geier.ne.tz>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1301021510020.15493@iskra.ottix.net>
	<50E4A081.3070602@dns-oarc.net> <51AAF0F2.6000608@geier.ne.tz>
	<CA+K1SUyBK235u0-50UY4n2dsL1RD_uvT26TAn-XB-ovQnjkRCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51AC57D6.4080303@neology.co.za>

On 03/06/2013 00:53, Jonathan Stewart wrote:
> I also see connection refused errors from 149.20.58.72:80
> <http://149.20.58.72:80>.

Noticed the same thing on Friday and thought that it was a local problem
on my side. Appears that it isn't.


> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Frank Habicht <geier at geier.ne.tz
> <mailto:geier at geier.ne.tz>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi,
> 
>     bad news:
> 
>     $ wget -4 http://www.as112.net/
>     --2013-06-02 10:09:54--  http://www.as112.net/
>     Resolving www.as112.net... 149.20.58.72
>     Connecting to www.as112.net
>     <http://www.as112.net>|149.20.58.72|:80... failed: Connection refused.
> 
>     tried from a few places.
>     (that time is GMT+3 but shouldn't matter much)
> 
>     Frank
> 
> 
>     On 1/3/2013 12:02 AM, Keith Mitchell wrote:
>     > On 01/02/2013 03:10 PM, William F. M. Sotomayor wrote:
>     >> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013, Frank Habicht wrote:
>     >
>     >>> who gets the same?
>     >>> (psg.com <http://psg.com> does)
>     >>
>     >> Probably the web server is still not setup for listening on the IPv6
>     >> socket:
>     >
>     > Investigating, it's not clear this ever worked for IPv6, looks like a
>     > server software upgrade may be needed to fix it. If we can't fix this
>     > shortly (I'm in the process of hiring an OARC sysadmin...) we'll pull
>     > the AAAA record for now.
>     >
>     >>> PS: I tried to find and contact people about this.
>     >>> but maybe that's something I'm not good enough at...
>     >
>     > <admin at dns-oarc.net <mailto:admin at dns-oarc.net>> can help with
>     this kind of thing. Thanks for
>     > flagging it up.
>     >
>     > Keith
>     >
>     >
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     as112-ops mailing list
>     as112-ops at lists.dns-oarc.net <mailto:as112-ops at lists.dns-oarc.net>
>     https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/as112-ops
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
>      Jonathan
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> as112-ops mailing list
> as112-ops at lists.dns-oarc.net
> https://lists.dns-oarc.net/mailman/listinfo/as112-ops
> 


-- 
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From wfms at dns-oarc.net  Sun Jun  2 22:55:45 2013
From: wfms at dns-oarc.net (William F Maton Sotomayor)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 22:55:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [as112-ops] v6 connection refused for AS112 webserver
In-Reply-To: <51AAF0F2.6000608@geier.ne.tz>
References: <50E48279.1070001@geier.ne.tz>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1301021510020.15493@iskra.ottix.net>
	<50E4A081.3070602@dns-oarc.net> <51AAF0F2.6000608@geier.ne.tz>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1306022255300.94106@in1.dns-oarc.net>


Indeed.  We're doing some house-keeping here.  Should be back tomorrow.

On Sun, 2 Jun 2013, Frank Habicht wrote:

> Hi,
>
> bad news:
>
> $ wget -4 http://www.as112.net/
> --2013-06-02 10:09:54--  http://www.as112.net/
> Resolving www.as112.net... 149.20.58.72
> Connecting to www.as112.net|149.20.58.72|:80... failed: Connection refused.
>
> tried from a few places.
> (that time is GMT+3 but shouldn't matter much)
>
> Frank
>
>
> On 1/3/2013 12:02 AM, Keith Mitchell wrote:
>> On 01/02/2013 03:10 PM, William F. M. Sotomayor wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013, Frank Habicht wrote:
>>
>>>> who gets the same?
>>>> (psg.com does)
>>>
>>> Probably the web server is still not setup for listening on the IPv6
>>> socket:
>>
>> Investigating, it's not clear this ever worked for IPv6, looks like a
>> server software upgrade may be needed to fix it. If we can't fix this
>> shortly (I'm in the process of hiring an OARC sysadmin...) we'll pull
>> the AAAA record for now.
>>
>>>> PS: I tried to find and contact people about this.
>>>> but maybe that's something I'm not good enough at...
>>
>> <admin at dns-oarc.net> can help with this kind of thing. Thanks for
>> flagging it up.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>
>


wfms

From emanuele.fia at gmail.com  Mon Jun  3 21:36:37 2013
From: emanuele.fia at gmail.com (Emanuele Fia)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 23:36:37 +0200
Subject: [as112-ops] How to setup AS112 Instance.
Message-ID: <CAF2ynG6Z95L5GHdbM_zZx-7tEjjoGdRrKN7uhkdJjyVCdzMoCA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear AS112 Project,

How can i setup AS112 project and advertise on the net?

We are a ISP with BGP with some IXP.

Thank you
Emanuele Fia
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From jabley at hopcount.ca  Tue Jun  4 00:58:43 2013
From: jabley at hopcount.ca (Joe Abley)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 20:58:43 -0400
Subject: [as112-ops] How to setup AS112 Instance.
In-Reply-To: <CAF2ynG6Z95L5GHdbM_zZx-7tEjjoGdRrKN7uhkdJjyVCdzMoCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF2ynG6Z95L5GHdbM_zZx-7tEjjoGdRrKN7uhkdJjyVCdzMoCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <-6598188096885837166@unknownmsgid>

Hi Emanuele,

On 2013-06-03, at 20:43, Emanuele Fia <emanuele.fia at gmail.com> wrote:

> How can i setup AS112 project and advertise on the net?
>
> We are a ISP with BGP with some IXP.

Take a look at RFC 6304 -- it was written to answer exactly that question.


Joe

From jonathan.stewart at gmail.com  Tue Jun 11 08:19:49 2013
From: jonathan.stewart at gmail.com (Jonathan Stewart)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 03:19:49 -0500
Subject: [as112-ops] AS112 operational at MBIX
Message-ID: <CA+K1SUzArogH2FA_DxYj5s8tf4e=J=d89pOzSwcNmcR+hk5FTA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I have just turned on an AS112 node at MBIX - http://www.mbix.ca

Manitoba Internet Exchange is located in Winnipeg, Canada.  The exchange is
so new that there are only 2 peers: AS112 and MBIX itself. I'm actually
using AS112 as the first MBIX connected AS.

I implemented my node on an old IBM 335 with a 2.8 GHz P4 and 1 GB of RAM.
eth0 is plugged into the management switch, and has a globally routable
unique IP address. eth1 is plugged into the MBIX peering switch. Ubuntu
12.04 LTS, Quagga and Bind 9 are providing the core software features.

I assigned the IP addresses to my loopback interface, and followed RFC 6304
for the configuration of Quagga and Bind 9.  Pretty informative RFC, I
would say.

I'm getting authoritative answers for the reverse zones from another test
host (what will be a route server) from 192.175.46.6 and 192.175.46.42, in
about 1 ms. :-)

Example:
jstewart at rs1:~$ dig @blackhole-2.iana.org -x 10.10.10.10

; <<>> DiG 9.8.1-P1 <<>> @blackhole-2.iana.org -x 10.10.10.10
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 18909
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;10.10.10.10.in-addr.arpa.    IN    PTR

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
10.in-addr.arpa.    604800    IN    SOA    prisoner.iana.org.
hostmaster.root-servers.org. 1 604800 60 604800 604800

;; Query time: 1 msec
;; SERVER: 192.175.48.42#53(192.175.48.42)
;; WHEN: Tue Jun 11 03:10:52 2013
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 119

So i think everything is working fully.

Is there anything i'm forgetting, or other tests i could do?

as112.mbix.ca is the globally unique IP address.

Cheers,

-- 
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From wmaton at ottix.net  Tue Jun 11 14:31:01 2013
From: wmaton at ottix.net (William F. Maton Sotomayor)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:31:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [as112-ops] AS112 operational at MBIX
In-Reply-To: <CA+K1SUzArogH2FA_DxYj5s8tf4e=J=d89pOzSwcNmcR+hk5FTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+K1SUzArogH2FA_DxYj5s8tf4e=J=d89pOzSwcNmcR+hk5FTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1306111027400.24837@iskra.ottix.net>


thanks john for your contribution!

i would say that a link to statistics is also good to have.

thanks.....

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Jonathan Stewart wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I have just turned on an AS112 node at MBIX - http://www.mbix.ca
>
> Manitoba Internet Exchange is located in Winnipeg, Canada.  The exchange is
> so new that there are only 2 peers: AS112 and MBIX itself. I'm actually
> using AS112 as the first MBIX connected AS.
>
> I implemented my node on an old IBM 335 with a 2.8 GHz P4 and 1 GB of RAM.
> eth0 is plugged into the management switch, and has a globally routable
> unique IP address. eth1 is plugged into the MBIX peering switch. Ubuntu
> 12.04 LTS, Quagga and Bind 9 are providing the core software features.
>
> I assigned the IP addresses to my loopback interface, and followed RFC 6304
> for the configuration of Quagga and Bind 9.  Pretty informative RFC, I
> would say.
>
> I'm getting authoritative answers for the reverse zones from another test
> host (what will be a route server) from 192.175.46.6 and 192.175.46.42, in
> about 1 ms. :-)
>
> Example:
> jstewart at rs1:~$ dig @blackhole-2.iana.org -x 10.10.10.10
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.8.1-P1 <<>> @blackhole-2.iana.org -x 10.10.10.10
> ; (1 server found)
> ;; global options: +cmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 18909
> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;10.10.10.10.in-addr.arpa.    IN    PTR
>
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> 10.in-addr.arpa.    604800    IN    SOA    prisoner.iana.org.
> hostmaster.root-servers.org. 1 604800 60 604800 604800
>
> ;; Query time: 1 msec
> ;; SERVER: 192.175.48.42#53(192.175.48.42)
> ;; WHEN: Tue Jun 11 03:10:52 2013
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 119
>
> So i think everything is working fully.
>
> Is there anything i'm forgetting, or other tests i could do?
>
> as112.mbix.ca is the globally unique IP address.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
>     Jonathan
>

wfms

From wmaton at ottix.net  Wed Jun 12 16:58:07 2013
From: wmaton at ottix.net (William F. Maton Sotomayor)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:58:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [as112-ops] AS112 operational at MBIX
In-Reply-To: <CA+K1SUzArogH2FA_DxYj5s8tf4e=J=d89pOzSwcNmcR+hk5FTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+K1SUzArogH2FA_DxYj5s8tf4e=J=d89pOzSwcNmcR+hk5FTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1306121257330.24837@iskra.ottix.net>


Jonathan,
 	What AS number are you using?  Also, could you put up a stats page 
using DSC from the Measurement Factory please?

Thanks,

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Jonathan Stewart wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I have just turned on an AS112 node at MBIX - http://www.mbix.ca
>
> Manitoba Internet Exchange is located in Winnipeg, Canada.  The exchange is
> so new that there are only 2 peers: AS112 and MBIX itself. I'm actually
> using AS112 as the first MBIX connected AS.
>
> I implemented my node on an old IBM 335 with a 2.8 GHz P4 and 1 GB of RAM.
> eth0 is plugged into the management switch, and has a globally routable
> unique IP address. eth1 is plugged into the MBIX peering switch. Ubuntu
> 12.04 LTS, Quagga and Bind 9 are providing the core software features.
>
> I assigned the IP addresses to my loopback interface, and followed RFC 6304
> for the configuration of Quagga and Bind 9.  Pretty informative RFC, I
> would say.
>
> I'm getting authoritative answers for the reverse zones from another test
> host (what will be a route server) from 192.175.46.6 and 192.175.46.42, in
> about 1 ms. :-)
>
> Example:
> jstewart at rs1:~$ dig @blackhole-2.iana.org -x 10.10.10.10
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.8.1-P1 <<>> @blackhole-2.iana.org -x 10.10.10.10
> ; (1 server found)
> ;; global options: +cmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 18909
> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;10.10.10.10.in-addr.arpa.    IN    PTR
>
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> 10.in-addr.arpa.    604800    IN    SOA    prisoner.iana.org.
> hostmaster.root-servers.org. 1 604800 60 604800 604800
>
> ;; Query time: 1 msec
> ;; SERVER: 192.175.48.42#53(192.175.48.42)
> ;; WHEN: Tue Jun 11 03:10:52 2013
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 119
>
> So i think everything is working fully.
>
> Is there anything i'm forgetting, or other tests i could do?
>
> as112.mbix.ca is the globally unique IP address.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
>     Jonathan
>

wfms

From jonathan.stewart at gmail.com  Wed Jun 12 18:41:10 2013
From: jonathan.stewart at gmail.com (Jonathan Stewart)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:41:10 -0500
Subject: [as112-ops] AS112 operational at MBIX
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1306121257330.24837@iskra.ottix.net>
References: <CA+K1SUzArogH2FA_DxYj5s8tf4e=J=d89pOzSwcNmcR+hk5FTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1306121257330.24837@iskra.ottix.net>
Message-ID: <CA+K1SUxUV45DFgYrq782HzR3oy--Jrd+5z+T6MQ2idwXYgnXvg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using AS112 for AS112 service.

I don't think i understand your question.

I just checked out DSC. It looks like a cool tool.  We can collect the data
on the AS112 node, and then send it to our webserver for display.

Jonathan


On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:58 AM, William F. Maton Sotomayor <
wmaton at ottix.net> wrote:

>
> Jonathan,
>         What AS number are you using?  Also, could you put up a stats page
> using DSC from the Measurement Factory please?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Jonathan Stewart wrote:
>
>  Hello All,
>>
>> I have just turned on an AS112 node at MBIX - http://www.mbix.ca
>>
>> Manitoba Internet Exchange is located in Winnipeg, Canada.  The exchange
>> is
>> so new that there are only 2 peers: AS112 and MBIX itself. I'm actually
>> using AS112 as the first MBIX connected AS.
>>
>> I implemented my node on an old IBM 335 with a 2.8 GHz P4 and 1 GB of RAM.
>> eth0 is plugged into the management switch, and has a globally routable
>> unique IP address. eth1 is plugged into the MBIX peering switch. Ubuntu
>> 12.04 LTS, Quagga and Bind 9 are providing the core software features.
>>
>> I assigned the IP addresses to my loopback interface, and followed RFC
>> 6304
>> for the configuration of Quagga and Bind 9.  Pretty informative RFC, I
>> would say.
>>
>> I'm getting authoritative answers for the reverse zones from another test
>> host (what will be a route server) from 192.175.46.6 and 192.175.46.42, in
>> about 1 ms. :-)
>>
>> Example:
>> jstewart at rs1:~$ dig @blackhole-2.iana.org -x 10.10.10.10
>>
>> ; <<>> DiG 9.8.1-P1 <<>> @blackhole-2.iana.org -x 10.10.10.10
>> ; (1 server found)
>> ;; global options: +cmd
>> ;; Got answer:
>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 18909
>> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>>
>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>> ;10.10.10.10.in-addr.arpa.    IN    PTR
>>
>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>> 10.in-addr.arpa.    604800    IN    SOA    prisoner.iana.org.
>> hostmaster.root-servers.org. 1 604800 60 604800 604800
>>
>> ;; Query time: 1 msec
>> ;; SERVER: 192.175.48.42#53(192.175.48.**42)
>> ;; WHEN: Tue Jun 11 03:10:52 2013
>> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 119
>>
>> So i think everything is working fully.
>>
>> Is there anything i'm forgetting, or other tests i could do?
>>
>> as112.mbix.ca is the globally unique IP address.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> --
>>     Jonathan
>>
>>
> wfms
>



-- 
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From wmaton at ottix.net  Wed Jun 12 18:44:54 2013
From: wmaton at ottix.net (William F. Maton Sotomayor)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:44:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [as112-ops] AS112 operational at MBIX
In-Reply-To: <CA+K1SUxUV45DFgYrq782HzR3oy--Jrd+5z+T6MQ2idwXYgnXvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+K1SUzArogH2FA_DxYj5s8tf4e=J=d89pOzSwcNmcR+hk5FTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1306121257330.24837@iskra.ottix.net>
	<CA+K1SUxUV45DFgYrq782HzR3oy--Jrd+5z+T6MQ2idwXYgnXvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1306121442550.24837@iskra.ottix.net>

On Wed, 12 Jun 2013, Jonathan Stewart wrote:

> I'm using AS112 for AS112 service.
>
> I don't think i understand your question.

Actually that answers it :)

It's in relation to this table:

https://www.as112.net/ops-listing.html

Folks list a transit AS as well if they are advertising it globally, but 
since it is within your IX....I take it you are using route servers?

>
> I just checked out DSC. It looks like a cool tool.  We can collect the data
> on the AS112 node, and then send it to our webserver for display.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:58 AM, William F. Maton Sotomayor <
> wmaton at ottix.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Jonathan,
>>         What AS number are you using?  Also, could you put up a stats page
>> using DSC from the Measurement Factory please?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Jonathan Stewart wrote:
>>
>>  Hello All,
>>>
>>> I have just turned on an AS112 node at MBIX - http://www.mbix.ca
>>>
>>> Manitoba Internet Exchange is located in Winnipeg, Canada.  The exchange
>>> is
>>> so new that there are only 2 peers: AS112 and MBIX itself. I'm actually
>>> using AS112 as the first MBIX connected AS.
>>>
>>> I implemented my node on an old IBM 335 with a 2.8 GHz P4 and 1 GB of RAM.
>>> eth0 is plugged into the management switch, and has a globally routable
>>> unique IP address. eth1 is plugged into the MBIX peering switch. Ubuntu
>>> 12.04 LTS, Quagga and Bind 9 are providing the core software features.
>>>
>>> I assigned the IP addresses to my loopback interface, and followed RFC
>>> 6304
>>> for the configuration of Quagga and Bind 9.  Pretty informative RFC, I
>>> would say.
>>>
>>> I'm getting authoritative answers for the reverse zones from another test
>>> host (what will be a route server) from 192.175.46.6 and 192.175.46.42, in
>>> about 1 ms. :-)
>>>
>>> Example:
>>> jstewart at rs1:~$ dig @blackhole-2.iana.org -x 10.10.10.10
>>>
>>> ; <<>> DiG 9.8.1-P1 <<>> @blackhole-2.iana.org -x 10.10.10.10
>>> ; (1 server found)
>>> ;; global options: +cmd
>>> ;; Got answer:
>>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 18909
>>> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>>>
>>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>>> ;10.10.10.10.in-addr.arpa.    IN    PTR
>>>
>>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>>> 10.in-addr.arpa.    604800    IN    SOA    prisoner.iana.org.
>>> hostmaster.root-servers.org. 1 604800 60 604800 604800
>>>
>>> ;; Query time: 1 msec
>>> ;; SERVER: 192.175.48.42#53(192.175.48.**42)
>>> ;; WHEN: Tue Jun 11 03:10:52 2013
>>> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 119
>>>
>>> So i think everything is working fully.
>>>
>>> Is there anything i'm forgetting, or other tests i could do?
>>>
>>> as112.mbix.ca is the globally unique IP address.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> --
>>>     Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>> wfms
>>
>
>
>
> --
>     Jonathan
>

wfms

From jonathan.stewart at gmail.com  Wed Jun 12 18:58:16 2013
From: jonathan.stewart at gmail.com (Jonathan Stewart)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:58:16 -0500
Subject: [as112-ops] AS112 operational at MBIX
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1306121442550.24837@iskra.ottix.net>
References: <CA+K1SUzArogH2FA_DxYj5s8tf4e=J=d89pOzSwcNmcR+hk5FTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1306121257330.24837@iskra.ottix.net>
	<CA+K1SUxUV45DFgYrq782HzR3oy--Jrd+5z+T6MQ2idwXYgnXvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1306121442550.24837@iskra.ottix.net>
Message-ID: <CA+K1SUzTAjKHmJ28p-SaCWJ6cwi2bvkOvNCxpEDSj5qS8foWsA@mail.gmail.com>

Oh right, this table listing.

Okay, the node is dual-homed:
It's got 198.181.199.66 transited from AS16395.  That (should be) globally
routable. (bit of a BGP issue currently)
It also has 206.72.208.10, where it speaks BGP as AS112 to other members of
the exchange, and announces 192.175.48.0/24. It then answers queries on
192.175.48.1; .6; .42.

We will be running route servers, yes--just working on configuring those,
but that's the plan for the exchange.

Jonathan


On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM, William F. Maton Sotomayor <
wmaton at ottix.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013, Jonathan Stewart wrote:
>
>  I'm using AS112 for AS112 service.
>>
>> I don't think i understand your question.
>>
>
> Actually that answers it :)
>
> It's in relation to this table:
>
> https://www.as112.net/ops-**listing.html<https://www.as112.net/ops-listing.html>
>
> Folks list a transit AS as well if they are advertising it globally, but
> since it is within your IX....I take it you are using route servers?
>
>
>> I just checked out DSC. It looks like a cool tool.  We can collect the
>> data
>> on the AS112 node, and then send it to our webserver for display.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:58 AM, William F. Maton Sotomayor <
>> wmaton at ottix.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Jonathan,
>>>         What AS number are you using?  Also, could you put up a stats
>>> page
>>> using DSC from the Measurement Factory please?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Jonathan Stewart wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hello All,
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have just turned on an AS112 node at MBIX - http://www.mbix.ca
>>>>
>>>> Manitoba Internet Exchange is located in Winnipeg, Canada.  The exchange
>>>> is
>>>> so new that there are only 2 peers: AS112 and MBIX itself. I'm actually
>>>> using AS112 as the first MBIX connected AS.
>>>>
>>>> I implemented my node on an old IBM 335 with a 2.8 GHz P4 and 1 GB of
>>>> RAM.
>>>> eth0 is plugged into the management switch, and has a globally routable
>>>> unique IP address. eth1 is plugged into the MBIX peering switch. Ubuntu
>>>> 12.04 LTS, Quagga and Bind 9 are providing the core software features.
>>>>
>>>> I assigned the IP addresses to my loopback interface, and followed RFC
>>>> 6304
>>>> for the configuration of Quagga and Bind 9.  Pretty informative RFC, I
>>>> would say.
>>>>
>>>> I'm getting authoritative answers for the reverse zones from another
>>>> test
>>>> host (what will be a route server) from 192.175.46.6 and 192.175.46.42,
>>>> in
>>>> about 1 ms. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Example:
>>>> jstewart at rs1:~$ dig @blackhole-2.iana.org -x 10.10.10.10
>>>>
>>>> ; <<>> DiG 9.8.1-P1 <<>> @blackhole-2.iana.org -x 10.10.10.10
>>>> ; (1 server found)
>>>> ;; global options: +cmd
>>>> ;; Got answer:
>>>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 18909
>>>> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
>>>>
>>>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>>>> ;10.10.10.10.in-addr.arpa.    IN    PTR
>>>>
>>>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>>>> 10.in-addr.arpa.    604800    IN    SOA    prisoner.iana.org.
>>>> hostmaster.root-servers.org. 1 604800 60 604800 604800
>>>>
>>>> ;; Query time: 1 msec
>>>> ;; SERVER: 192.175.48.42#53(192.175.48.****42)
>>>>
>>>> ;; WHEN: Tue Jun 11 03:10:52 2013
>>>> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 119
>>>>
>>>> So i think everything is working fully.
>>>>
>>>> Is there anything i'm forgetting, or other tests i could do?
>>>>
>>>> as112.mbix.ca is the globally unique IP address.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>     Jonathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  wfms
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>     Jonathan
>>
>>
> wfms
>



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     Jonathan
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From noc at sirius-p.ru  Thu Jun 13 07:36:07 2013
From: noc at sirius-p.ru (Sirius-Project NOC)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:36:07 +0400
Subject: [as112-ops] AS112 operational at MBIX
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1306121442550.24837@iskra.ottix.net>
References: <CA+K1SUzArogH2FA_DxYj5s8tf4e=J=d89pOzSwcNmcR+hk5FTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1306121257330.24837@iskra.ottix.net>
	<CA+K1SUxUV45DFgYrq782HzR3oy--Jrd+5z+T6MQ2idwXYgnXvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1306121442550.24837@iskra.ottix.net>
Message-ID: <web-17197816@bcgp07.nicmail.ru>

Hello, colleagues!

By the way, you can update record for Sirius Project:
statistics: dns.sirius-p.ru
unicast IP: 62.76.96.105

Regards, Alex.

On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:44:54 -0400 (EDT)
  "William F. Maton Sotomayor" <wmaton at ottix.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013, Jonathan Stewart wrote:
> 
>> I'm using AS112 for AS112 service.
>>
>> I don't think i understand your question.
> 
> Actually that answers it :)
> 
> It's in relation to this table:
> 
> https://www.as112.net/ops-listing.html
> 
>Folks list a transit AS as well if they are advertising it globally, 
>but since it is within your IX....I take it you are using route 
>servers?
> 
>>
>> I just checked out DSC. It looks like a cool tool.  We can collect 
>>the data
>> on the AS112 node, and then send it to our webserver for display.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:58 AM, William F. Maton Sotomayor <
>> wmaton at ottix.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Jonathan,
>>>         What AS number are you using?  Also, could you put up a 
>>>stats page
>>> using DSC from the Measurement Factory please?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Jonathan Stewart wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> I have just turned on an AS112 node at MBIX - http://www.mbix.ca
>>>>
>>>> Manitoba Internet Exchange is located in Winnipeg, Canada.  The 
>>>>exchange
>>>> is
>>>> so new that there are only 2 peers: AS112 and MBIX itself. I'm 
>>>>actually
>>>> using AS112 as the first MBIX connected AS.
>>>>
>>>> I implemented my node on an old IBM 335 with a 2.8 GHz P4 and 1 GB 
>>>>of RAM.
>>>> eth0 is plugged into the management switch, and has a globally 
>>>>routable
>>>> unique IP address. eth1 is plugged into the MBIX peering switch. 
>>>>Ubuntu
>>>> 12.04 LTS, Quagga and Bind 9 are providing the core software 
>>>>features.
>>>>
>>>> I assigned the IP addresses to my loopback interface, and followed 
>>>>RFC
>>>> 6304
>>>> for the configuration of Quagga and Bind 9.  Pretty informative RFC, 
>>>>I
>>>> would say.
>>>>
>>>> I'm getting authoritative answers for the reverse zones from another 
>>>>test
>>>> host (what will be a route server) from 192.175.46.6 and 
>>>>192.175.46.42, in
>>>> about 1 ms. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Example:
>>>> jstewart at rs1:~$ dig @blackhole-2.iana.org -x 10.10.10.10
>>>>
>>>> ; <<>> DiG 9.8.1-P1 <<>> @blackhole-2.iana.org -x 10.10.10.10
>>>> ; (1 server found)
>>>> ;; global options: +cmd
>>>> ;; Got answer:
>>>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 18909
>>>> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, 
>>>>ADDITIONAL: 0
>>>>
>>>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>>>> ;10.10.10.10.in-addr.arpa.    IN    PTR
>>>>
>>>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>>>> 10.in-addr.arpa.    604800    IN    SOA    prisoner.iana.org.
>>>> hostmaster.root-servers.org. 1 604800 60 604800 604800
>>>>
>>>> ;; Query time: 1 msec
>>>> ;; SERVER: 192.175.48.42#53(192.175.48.**42)
>>>> ;; WHEN: Tue Jun 11 03:10:52 2013
>>>> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 119
>>>>
>>>> So i think everything is working fully.
>>>>
>>>> Is there anything i'm forgetting, or other tests i could do?
>>>>
>>>> as112.mbix.ca is the globally unique IP address.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>     Jonathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>> wfms
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>     Jonathan
>>
> 
> wfms
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From jonathan.stewart at gmail.com  Thu Jun 20 05:05:56 2013
From: jonathan.stewart at gmail.com (Jonathan Stewart)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:05:56 -0500
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
Message-ID: <CA+K1SUzqwt=+Es+KKvDZi=ZY5ZqfOQQCUKXc-LChJXVOWyZ4bQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey All,

AS112 concerns reverse lookups of IPv4 addresses. But we are also aware
that using IPv6 as a transport for looking up A records, PTR records--well
any records--is perfectly valid.   Further, it's possible, maybe likely,
for an IPv6-only host is querying for the PTR of 1.1.10.10.in-addr.arpa.

But, i note there is no AAAA in existence for blackhole-1.iana.org,
blackhole-2, or prisoner.

And there was no mention of IPv6 in the RFCs.

So, is there an IPv6 well-known address for AS112?

Thanks,

P.S. - our AS112 node at MBIX is functioning fine, and serving well as a
test BGP peer for our route servers, which it's now peering with.

-- 
     Jonathan
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From wmaton at ottix.net  Thu Jun 20 13:10:39 2013
From: wmaton at ottix.net (William F. Maton Sotomayor)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:10:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
In-Reply-To: <CA+K1SUzqwt=+Es+KKvDZi=ZY5ZqfOQQCUKXc-LChJXVOWyZ4bQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+K1SUzqwt=+Es+KKvDZi=ZY5ZqfOQQCUKXc-LChJXVOWyZ4bQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1306200908220.22916@iskra.ottix.net>

On Thu, 20 Jun 2013, Jonathan Stewart wrote:

> But, i note there is no AAAA in existence for blackhole-1.iana.org,
> blackhole-2, or prisoner.

Corect, no IPv6 record yet.  But see:

 	https://www.as112.net/ipv6-trials.html

A few operators are trying this out, but really this needs something a 
little more official from IANA.  There are also some draft RFCs attempting 
to make the rounds at the IETF regarding further allocations, plus one 
seeking to delegate it all.  But it runs specially hacked code.

Someone else made a proposal last year and even more recently to use 
DNAME.

wfms

From wmaton at ottix.net  Fri Jun 21 17:25:23 2013
From: wmaton at ottix.net (William F. Maton Sotomayor)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:25:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [as112-ops] [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for
 draft-wkumari-dnsop-omniscient-as112-03.txt (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1306211324480.18844@iskra.ottix.net>


FYI everyone.

Note that the discussions on DNAME would be interesting to pursue further 
as well.

wfms

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:25:25 -0400
From: Warren Kumari <warren at kumari.net>
To: IETF DNSOP WG <dnsop at ietf.org>
Subject: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for
     draft-wkumari-dnsop-omniscient-as112-03.txt

Hi there all,

We have incorporated consensus from the Orlando meeting (and ML discussions). We have also fleshed this out with e batter overview section, an explanation of why DNSSEC doesn't happen with AS112, etc.

We have requested that the DNSOP chairs adopt this version.

Things that requite more discussions:
1: Is DNAME a viable alternative?
There are pros and cons here -- a better understanding of DNAME support, it may be simpler to just delegate to AS112, etc.
2: Metazones - having a generic DNS sinkhole may be useful for all sorts of things.
3:  Delegating things other than PTR -- we have discussed this in person and it is mentioned in the draft, but perhaps we need more text on using Omniscient AS112 for blackholing things like .belkin / malware..

W


Begin forwarded message:

> From: internet-drafts at ietf.org
> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-dnsop-omniscient-as112-03.txt
> Date: June 20, 2013 8:01:18 PM EDT
> To: William F. Maton Sotomayor <wfms at ryouko.imsb.nrc.ca>, Ray Bellis <ray.bellis at nominet.org.uk>, William F. M Sotomayor <wfms at ryouko.imsb.nrc.ca>, Joe Abley <joe.abley at icann.org>, Warren Kumari <warren at kumari.net>
>
>
> A new version of I-D, draft-wkumari-dnsop-omniscient-as112-03.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Warren Kumari and posted to the
> IETF repository.
>
> Filename:	 draft-wkumari-dnsop-omniscient-as112
> Revision:	 03
> Title:		 Omniscient AS112 Servers
> Creation date:	 2013-06-21
> Group:		 Individual Submission
> Number of pages: 14
> URL:             http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wkumari-dnsop-omniscient-as112-03.txt
> Status:          http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wkumari-dnsop-omniscient-as112
> Htmlized:        http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wkumari-dnsop-omniscient-as112-03
> Diff:            http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-wkumari-dnsop-omniscient-as112-03
>
> Abstract:
>   The AS112 Project loosely coordinates Domain Name System (DNS)
>   servers to which DNS zones corresponding to private use addresses are
>   delegated.  Queries for names within those zones have no useful
>   responses in a global context.  The purpose of this project is to
>   reduce the load of such junk queries on the authoritative name
>   servers that would otherwise receive them, and instead direct the
>   load to name servers operated within the AS112 project.
>
>   Due to the loosely-coordinated nature of the project, adding and
>   dropping zones from the AS112 servers is difficult.  This document
>   proposes a mechanism by which AS112 name servers could answer
>   authoritatively for all possible zones.  This eliminates the add/drop
>   problem, changing it to a matter of delegation within the DNS and
>   requiring no operational changes on the servers themselves.
>
>   This document updates RFC 6304.
>
>
>
>
> The IETF Secretariat
>

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From jonathan.stewart at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 18:31:27 2013
From: jonathan.stewart at gmail.com (Jonathan Stewart)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:31:27 -0500
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1306200908220.22916@iskra.ottix.net>
References: <CA+K1SUzqwt=+Es+KKvDZi=ZY5ZqfOQQCUKXc-LChJXVOWyZ4bQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1306200908220.22916@iskra.ottix.net>
Message-ID: <CA+K1SUwFJu0XzO4=3-TTgQ4yW=2MKU3ON-ef2XcJRM8_5jd81g@mail.gmail.com>

Until the delegations are there to blackhole-3 and blackhole-4, this IPv6
effort will not have any effect, is that correct?

So if I added IPv6 as proposed here, i think i would get 0 queries, as
nothing in the DNS points to the IPv6 addresses of the AS112 node.

Or am I misunderstanding?


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:10 AM, William F. Maton Sotomayor <
wmaton at ottix.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Jun 2013, Jonathan Stewart wrote:
>
>  But, i note there is no AAAA in existence for blackhole-1.iana.org,
>> blackhole-2, or prisoner.
>>
>
> Corect, no IPv6 record yet.  But see:
>
>         https://www.as112.net/ipv6-**trials.html<https://www.as112.net/ipv6-trials.html>
>
> A few operators are trying this out, but really this needs something a
> little more official from IANA.  There are also some draft RFCs attempting
> to make the rounds at the IETF regarding further allocations, plus one
> seeking to delegate it all.  But it runs specially hacked code.
>
> Someone else made a proposal last year and even more recently to use DNAME.
>
> wfms
>



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     Jonathan
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From jabley at hopcount.ca  Tue Jun 25 19:28:55 2013
From: jabley at hopcount.ca (Joe Abley)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:28:55 -0400
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
In-Reply-To: <CA+K1SUwFJu0XzO4=3-TTgQ4yW=2MKU3ON-ef2XcJRM8_5jd81g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+K1SUzqwt=+Es+KKvDZi=ZY5ZqfOQQCUKXc-LChJXVOWyZ4bQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CA+K1SUwFJu0XzO4=3-TTgQ4yW=2MKU3ON-ef2XcJRM8_5jd81g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <06F372F9-7618-4FB6-A5B3-5EEC5FEF6BE5@hopcount.ca>


On 2013-06-25, at 14:31, Jonathan Stewart <jonathan.stewart at gmail.com> wrote:

> Until the delegations are there to blackhole-3 and blackhole-4, this IPv6 effort will not have any effect, is that correct?

Until there is a zone delegated to blackhole-3 or blackhole-4, right.

> So if I added IPv6 as proposed here, i think i would get 0 queries, as nothing in the DNS points to the IPv6 addresses of the AS112 node.
> 
> Or am I misunderstanding?

You might see more than zero if you have amplification potential. In which case you'd probably be happier with zero.


Joe


From jonathan.stewart at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 04:30:33 2013
From: jonathan.stewart at gmail.com (Jonathan Stewart)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 23:30:33 -0500
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
In-Reply-To: <06F372F9-7618-4FB6-A5B3-5EEC5FEF6BE5@hopcount.ca>
References: <CA+K1SUzqwt=+Es+KKvDZi=ZY5ZqfOQQCUKXc-LChJXVOWyZ4bQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1306200908220.22916@iskra.ottix.net>
	<CA+K1SUwFJu0XzO4=3-TTgQ4yW=2MKU3ON-ef2XcJRM8_5jd81g@mail.gmail.com>
	<06F372F9-7618-4FB6-A5B3-5EEC5FEF6BE5@hopcount.ca>
Message-ID: <CA+K1SUyyi9DhPK9JXA2QUknziFEyAo91PTa16v0t4zDpmZjvTw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Joe Abley <jabley at hopcount.ca> wrote:

>
>
> Until there is a zone delegated to blackhole-3 or blackhole-4, right.
>
I notice that the hostnames resolve, but it's the ip6.arpa delegations
which are not there.

So pardon my ignorance, but what would it take to turn this on?  A decision
by the IANA?  An RFC about the IPv6 aspects of AS112?

It seems like the idea is fully formed in the ipv6-trails document.

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From kim.davies at icann.org  Wed Jun 26 05:25:30 2013
From: kim.davies at icann.org (Kim Davies)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:25:30 -0700
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
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On Jun 25, 2013, at 9:30 PM, Jonathan Stewart <jonathan.stewart at gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.stewart at gmail.com>> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Joe Abley <jabley at hopcount.ca<mailto:jabley at hopcount.ca>> wrote:


Until there is a zone delegated to blackhole-3 or blackhole-4, right.
I notice that the hostnames resolve, but it's the ip6.arpa delegations which are not there.

So pardon my ignorance, but what would it take to turn this on?  A decision by the IANA?  An RFC about the IPv6 aspects of AS112?

We added the host names last week. We are currently looking into identifying who the relevant people are who need to consent in order for delegations to be made.

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From jabley at hopcount.ca  Wed Jun 26 19:15:21 2013
From: jabley at hopcount.ca (Joe Abley)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 15:15:21 -0400
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
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On 2013-06-26, at 01:25, Kim Davies <kim.davies at icann.org> wrote:

> On Jun 25, 2013, at 9:30 PM, Jonathan Stewart <jonathan.stewart at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Joe Abley <jabley at hopcount.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Until there is a zone delegated to blackhole-3 or blackhole-4, right.
>> I notice that the hostnames resolve, but it's the ip6.arpa delegations which are not there.
>> 
>> So pardon my ignorance, but what would it take to turn this on?  A decision by the IANA?  An RFC about the IPv6 aspects of AS112?
> 
> We added the host names last week. We are currently looking into identifying who the relevant people are who need to consent in order for delegations to be made.

There would be no such problem to solve if the AAAA records were simply added to blackhole-1 and blackhole-2 (in the sense that the existing AS112 zones would immediately be reachable over IPv6).

As far as adding new zones to AS112, that's an open problem and there are two approaches being discussed in dnsop. It's quite premature to add more delegations right now, I would say (and such an action would likely result in Bad Things since there's no practical way to coordinate the add/drop of zones on AS112 servers right now, and lame delegations would certainly result.)


Joe

From jonathan.stewart at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 22:03:45 2013
From: jonathan.stewart at gmail.com (Jonathan Stewart)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:03:45 -0500
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
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I agree with Joe.

If there were AAAA records for for blackhole-1 and -2, we could provide the
current in-addr.arpa. records over IPv6 transport, something which would
work today.

Adding new zones from ip6.arpa is a technically separate idea.


On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Joe Abley <jabley at hopcount.ca> wrote:

>
> On 2013-06-26, at 01:25, Kim Davies <kim.davies at icann.org> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 25, 2013, at 9:30 PM, Jonathan Stewart <
> jonathan.stewart at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Joe Abley <jabley at hopcount.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> Until there is a zone delegated to blackhole-3 or blackhole-4, right.
> >> I notice that the hostnames resolve, but it's the ip6.arpa delegations
> which are not there.
> >>
> >> So pardon my ignorance, but what would it take to turn this on?  A
> decision by the IANA?  An RFC about the IPv6 aspects of AS112?
> >
> > We added the host names last week. We are currently looking into
> identifying who the relevant people are who need to consent in order for
> delegations to be made.
>
> There would be no such problem to solve if the AAAA records were simply
> added to blackhole-1 and blackhole-2 (in the sense that the existing AS112
> zones would immediately be reachable over IPv6).
>
> As far as adding new zones to AS112, that's an open problem and there are
> two approaches being discussed in dnsop. It's quite premature to add more
> delegations right now, I would say (and such an action would likely result
> in Bad Things since there's no practical way to coordinate the add/drop of
> zones on AS112 servers right now, and lame delegations would certainly
> result.)
>
>
> Joe




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From wmaton at ottix.net  Wed Jun 26 22:07:53 2013
From: wmaton at ottix.net (William F. Maton Sotomayor)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:07:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
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On Wed, 26 Jun 2013, Jonathan Stewart wrote:

> If there were AAAA records for for blackhole-1 and -2, we could provide the
> current in-addr.arpa. records over IPv6 transport, something which would
> work today.

The purpose of -3 and -4 was to separate out chatter for IPv6 in case we 
wanteed to make some comparisons.

>
> Adding new zones from ip6.arpa is a technically separate idea.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Joe Abley <jabley at hopcount.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2013-06-26, at 01:25, Kim Davies <kim.davies at icann.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 25, 2013, at 9:30 PM, Jonathan Stewart <
>> jonathan.stewart at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Joe Abley <jabley at hopcount.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Until there is a zone delegated to blackhole-3 or blackhole-4, right.
>>>> I notice that the hostnames resolve, but it's the ip6.arpa delegations
>> which are not there.
>>>>
>>>> So pardon my ignorance, but what would it take to turn this on?  A
>> decision by the IANA?  An RFC about the IPv6 aspects of AS112?
>>>
>>> We added the host names last week. We are currently looking into
>> identifying who the relevant people are who need to consent in order for
>> delegations to be made.
>>
>> There would be no such problem to solve if the AAAA records were simply
>> added to blackhole-1 and blackhole-2 (in the sense that the existing AS112
>> zones would immediately be reachable over IPv6).
>>
>> As far as adding new zones to AS112, that's an open problem and there are
>> two approaches being discussed in dnsop. It's quite premature to add more
>> delegations right now, I would say (and such an action would likely result
>> in Bad Things since there's no practical way to coordinate the add/drop of
>> zones on AS112 servers right now, and lame delegations would certainly
>> result.)
>>
>>
>> Joe
>
>
>
>
> --
>     Jonathan
>

wfms

From jabley at hopcount.ca  Wed Jun 26 22:14:36 2013
From: jabley at hopcount.ca (Joe Abley)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:14:36 -0400
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
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On 2013-06-26, at 18:07, William F. Maton Sotomayor <wmaton at ottix.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Jun 2013, Jonathan Stewart wrote:
> 
>> If there were AAAA records for for blackhole-1 and -2, we could provide the
>> current in-addr.arpa. records over IPv6 transport, something which would
>> work today.
> 
> The purpose of -3 and -4 was to separate out chatter for IPv6 in case we wanteed to make some comparisons.

How would those comparisons be made easier by having bare AAAAs on blackhole-3 and blackhole-4? All the traffic looks the same when it arrives at the box.


Joe


From wmaton at ottix.net  Wed Jun 26 22:32:13 2013
From: wmaton at ottix.net (William F. Maton Sotomayor)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:32:13 -0400 (EDT)
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On Wed, 26 Jun 2013, Joe Abley wrote:

>> The purpose of -3 and -4 was to separate out chatter for IPv6 in case we wanteed to make some comparisons.
>
> How would those comparisons be made easier by having bare AAAAs on blackhole-3 and blackhole-4? All the traffic looks the same when it arrives at the box.

We had a rationale, back in the archives I think at one point.  I don't 
think it was centred on an IPv6-only AS112 server though.  It was 
something else I can't quite put my finger on.....

wfms

From as112-ops at trex.fi  Fri Jun 28 09:21:38 2013
From: as112-ops at trex.fi (Aleksi Suhonen)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:21:38 +0300
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
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Hello,

On 06/27/2013 01:32 AM, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote:
> We had a rationale, back in the archives I think at one point. I don't
> think it was centred on an IPv6-only AS112 server though. It was
> something else I can't quite put my finger on.....

Maybe it was nothing...

Anyway, I'm writing in to complain that www.as112.net doesn't work on 
IPv6 again.



My understanding about blackhole-3/4 was that new zones would be 
delegated to those, as it's currently not feasible to delegate new zones 
to blackhole-1/2. They would otherwise be identical servers and as such 
I don't see any reason why those AAAA records couldn't be added to 
blackhole-1/2 as well. IPv4-only nodes would not be affected in any way.

-- 
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	Aleksi Suhonen / TREX Regional Exchanges Oy

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From jonathan.stewart at gmail.com  Fri Jun 28 20:44:50 2013
From: jonathan.stewart at gmail.com (Jonathan Stewart)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:44:50 -0500
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
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On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:21 AM, Aleksi Suhonen <as112-ops at trex.fi> wrote:

> Hello,
> Anyway, I'm writing in to complain that www.as112.net doesn't work on
> IPv6 again.
>
And further, it sends me automatically to HTTPS, and presents a certificate
whose name is *.dns-oarc.net.

Would be nice to correct that.

> My understanding about blackhole-3/4 was that new zones would be delegated
> to those, as it's currently not feasible to delegate new zones to
> blackhole-1/2. They would otherwise be identical servers and as such I
> don't see any reason why those AAAA records couldn't be added to
> blackhole-1/2 as well. IPv4-only nodes would not be affected in any way.
>
Aleksi: You're saying that the zones on 1/2 will be different than those on
3/4, thus the different names.  Then you say, they should have the SAME
address records?  That seems contradictory.

Remember that a PTR request for ip6.int can arrive on IPv4 UDP. Or the
inverse, a in-addr.arpa. PTR query can arrive over IPv4 UDP.

So if we say 1/2 and 3/4 are serve different zones, then they need to have
distinct addresses on IPv4 and IPv6.

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From jabley at hopcount.ca  Fri Jun 28 20:47:40 2013
From: jabley at hopcount.ca (Joe Abley)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:47:40 -0400
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
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On 2013-06-28, at 16:44, Jonathan Stewart <jonathan.stewart at gmail.com> wrote:

> Remember that a PTR request for ip6.int can arrive on IPv4 UDP.

If it does, you may have invented time travel. RFC 4159.


Joe


From jonathan.stewart at gmail.com  Fri Jun 28 20:54:33 2013
From: jonathan.stewart at gmail.com (Jonathan Stewart)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:54:33 -0500
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
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On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Joe Abley <jabley at hopcount.ca> wrote:

>
> > Remember that a PTR request for ip6.int can arrive on IPv4 UDP.
>
> If it does, you may have invented time travel. RFC 4159.
>
Apologies!  I meant to say ip6.arpa.  Is my statement correct if we change
ip6.int to ip6.arpa?


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From jabley at hopcount.ca  Fri Jun 28 21:56:31 2013
From: jabley at hopcount.ca (Joe Abley)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:56:31 -0400
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
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On 2013-06-28, at 16:54, Jonathan Stewart <jonathan.stewart at gmail.com> wrote:

> Apologies!

Haha :-)

>  I meant to say ip6.arpa.  Is my statement correct if we change ip6.int to ip6.arpa?

For sure. Reverse DNS is just a namespace convention. Queries can, do and will use v4 and v6 irrespective of the QNAME.


Joe

From as112-ops at trex.fi  Sat Jun 29 08:30:10 2013
From: as112-ops at trex.fi (Aleksi Suhonen)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 11:30:10 +0300
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
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Hi,

On 06/28/2013 11:44 PM, Jonathan Stewart wrote:
>     My understanding about blackhole-3/4 was that new zones would be
>     delegated to those, as it's currently not feasible to delegate new
>     zones to blackhole-1/2. They would otherwise be identical servers
>     and as such I don't see any reason why those AAAA records couldn't
>     be added to blackhole-1/2 as well. IPv4-only nodes would not be
>     affected in any way.

> Aleksi: You're saying that the zones on 1/2 will be different than those
> on 3/4, thus the different names.  Then you say, they should have the
> SAME address records?  That seems contradictory.

That is not what I wrote. I wrote that different zones are delegated to 
1/2 and 3/4. What I neglected to write is that 3/4 are supposed to also 
serve the zones delegated to 1/2. This is so that at some point in the 
future we might move everything over to 3/4. But 3/4 are supposed to be 
highly experimental at first.

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From Aleksi.Suhonen at trex.fi  Fri Jun 28 09:18:41 2013
From: Aleksi.Suhonen at trex.fi (Aleksi Suhonen)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:18:41 +0300
Subject: [as112-ops] IPv6 + AS112?
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Hello,

On 06/27/2013 01:32 AM, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote:
> We had a rationale, back in the archives I think at one point. I don't
> think it was centred on an IPv6-only AS112 server though. It was
> something else I can't quite put my finger on.....

Maybe it was nothing...

Anyway, I'm writing in to complain that www.as112.net doesn't work on 
IPv6 again.



My understanding about blackhole-3/4 was that new zones would be 
delegated to those, as it's currently not feasible to delegate new zones 
to blackhole-1/2. They would otherwise be identical servers and as such 
I don't see any reason why those AAAA records couldn't be added to 
blackhole-1/2 as well. IPv4-only nodes would not be affected in any way.

-- 
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	Aleksi Suhonen / TREX Regional Exchanges Oy

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     previous remarks, `is a strong drink and a peer-group.'
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