<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Jeroen,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m no longer sure what you’re arguing for/against — I was simply pointing out that your assertion that “one will never know” whether responses were being censored was too pessimistic in the case of queries to the root servers given DNSSEC. This seems to have morphed to a rant against a particular implementation of DoH and the purpose of the Internet, which is fine, but unrelated to the subject of this message and not something I’m personally interested in arguing about.<br class=""><div><br class=""></div><div>One question related to your TLDR though:</div><div><br class=""></div><div>On Mar 26, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Jeroen Massar <<a href="mailto:jeroen@massar.ch" class="">jeroen@massar.ch</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular;" class="">- No transparency of (root) DNS server (auth/recursive) operations</span><br class=""><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> - would be cool if operators would provide that transparency</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>My impression is that the root server operators are increasingly transparent in their operations. What is still opaque in your view?</div></div><div><br class=""></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>-drc</div><div><br class=""></div><style class="">ul[class*='mb-extra__public-links'], ul[class*='mb-note__public-links'], ul[class*='mb-task__public-links'] { display: none !important; }</style></body></html>